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Dr. Richard

A better Place

Reflecting on the heartbreaking death of a child, Mr. X remarked that "the child is in a better place," despite the child's experience of profound suffering. At the same time, Mr. X asserts that human life begins at conception and expresses strong opposition to abortion. Given his belief that death leads children to a better place, shouldn't he advocate for abortion in order for more children to be in a better place? What fallacy is this?

asked on Wednesday, Jul 16, 2025 02:21:02 PM by Dr. Richard

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TrappedPrior (RotE)
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"A better place" is best understood non-literally. Mr. X is expressing sadness at the child's death and wishing them peace.

No fallacy in my opinion.

answered on Thursday, Jul 17, 2025 08:22:54 AM by TrappedPrior (RotE)

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Dr. Richard writes:

Yes, indeed, I had not thought of that explanation. I was taking the statement at face value. If taken at face value, what is your analysis?

posted on Thursday, Jul 17, 2025 09:35:56 AM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:
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I am assuming here that the child was seriously ill or injured, hence the "profound suffering" (as you put it). In this case, it depends on  why  Mr. X thinks death means an ill/injured child is in a better place. 

If he is arguing that death is preferable to life given profound suffering, then it is not  inconsistent to not support abortion,  unless  - possibly - the child is likely to have serious long-term health issues. It would depend on Mr. X's threshold for profound suffering. That will be more than a little subjective.

If he is arguing that death is preferable to life regardless of how much one is suffering, then a quick reductio ad absurdum  shows that he ought to support not just abortion, but also mass murder, since presumably, everyone deserves to be in that better place.

[ login to reply ] posted on Thursday, Jul 17, 2025 02:32:48 PM
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Dr. Richard writes:
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The comment was made in the context of all the children who died in the Texas flood. 

[ login to reply ] posted on Thursday, Jul 17, 2025 03:30:34 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:
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In that case, this seems like the first scenario:

If he is arguing that death is preferable to life given profound suffering, then it is not   inconsistent to not support abortion,   unless   - possibly - the child is likely to have serious long-term health issues. It would depend on Mr. X's threshold for profound suffering. That will be more than a little subjective.

 

 

[ login to reply ] posted on Thursday, Jul 17, 2025 03:41:09 PM
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Kaiden
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Hi, Dr. Richard!

 

I do take the comment at face value. Someone being in “a better place” after dying is an idiom for their departed soul being in heaven with God. I take it that the speaker who said this over all the children who died in the Texas flood believes that every child goes to heaven when they die because children are too immature to be accountable to God for their sins, and the speaker tries to help people by this idea.

 


Given his belief that death leads children to a better place, shouldn't he advocate for abortion in order for more children to be in a better place?

When this retort is reformulated from a question into an explicit argument, it commits a non sequitur. Just because a place is better doesn’t mean that there cannot be moral or immoral ways of getting there. For all that this retorter has shown, children do go to a better place when they die, though it is morally wrong for a human to kill a child, but not for a flood to kill a child, and the immortality of this act is independent of the facts about where a child’s soul goes after death.

 

Thank you, Dr. Richard 

From, Kaiden 

answered on Friday, Jul 25, 2025 07:15:40 PM by Kaiden

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