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87blue

Does this come off as a slothful induction?

From here:


“National sex education standards right now for K-3 say that gender ideology, that those children need to know by third grade that you can be a boy or a girl, neither or both,” Descovich said. “That is very concerning to our moms and to parents. There is no reason that a kindergarten teacher needs to teach that to 5-year-olds. That is something families should be discussing.”

And why is it harmful to children? They don't explain.

“But the onus of that lies with the parents,” Dr. Phil responded. “They’re in control of the care and custody of their children.”

And will they?

“And my question to you is: What makes you think you know better than a parent about what should happen to a child when they have a life-determining decision about whether they’re going to make a decision about gender or anything else?” Dr. Phil asked.

“You have to call before you give them a Tylenol , and you can’t make a presumption that this child can’t take this information home.”

The folks representing the woke side of this debate didn’t have much to say to that, as you might imagine. One parent — and I don’t like to use this term, but if I were one to go about pasting “beta male” stickers on certain people’s foreheads, his is the first I’d seek out — tried to cite mental health statistics at Dr. Phil, who has three degrees in psychology as well as a year of post-doctoral work.

Good luck with that.

And add an appeal to authority here. Can he explain why there are so many homeless lgbtq youth

asked on Saturday, Oct 22, 2022 11:37:39 PM by 87blue

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Darren writes:

I find the posting to be vague.  What exactly are you asking is fallacious, and maybe say something about why you think it commits that fallacy.  

posted on Sunday, Oct 23, 2022 01:05:52 AM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

Yeah, sometimes people dump walls of text into their posts, then ask "any fallacies?"

We don't know what we're supposed to be looking for, or even what we're reading. So it would be helpful if people clarified their posts a bit. Perhaps, "I think this is fallacious because...X, Y, Z."

Then you get people who don't even do the courtesy of putting the text in-thread; instead it's a link to a news article or opinion piece. As if we're expected to trawl through the thing to find fallacies (and half the time, there aren't any - it's just a rant).

Worse still are the ones that post YouTube links. They think I'm going to watch an hour-long video just to answer a simple question...as if!

posted on Monday, Oct 24, 2022 05:50:43 AM

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These are all just claims and opinions. The only clear fallacy I see is this part:

...tried to cite mental health statistics at Dr. Phil, who has three degrees in psychology as well as a year of post-doctoral work.

This is a appeal to authority and perhaps an appeal to celebrity . It doesn't matter that Dr. Phil is notorious for peddling pseudoscience, the fact is that someone is an authority on a topic doesn't make them right by that fact alone, especially when what they say is against facts presented.

answered on Sunday, Oct 23, 2022 07:44:50 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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 “And my question to you is: What makes you think you know better than a parent about what should happen to a child when they have a life-determining decision about whether they’re going to make a decision about gender or anything else?” Dr. Phil asked.

“You have to call before you give them a Tylenol , and you can’t make a presumption that this child can’t take this information home.”

I think I spot a little bit of a weak analogy here. Just because children have to get permission to use tylenol doesn't mean it's unethical for a kid to transition w/o parents permission. As for a slothful induction (appeal to coincidence) I could see where your coming from. Dr. Phil being a mental health professional doesn't discredit statistics. I could be wrong. As Dr. Bennett said, a lot of this is opinion and claims.


 
 

answered on Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 12:13:22 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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