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Jason Mathias

Any fallacies in this response?

Person 1: Did you read the new reports from our intelligence agencies about how Russian spies are trying to feed misinformation to the president of the United States to help sew chaos and interfere in our election. 

Person 2: Oh yeah? How come everyone is always worried about the Russians, did they forget that we are and have been for years up in the space station with them. 

asked on Sunday, Oct 18, 2020 09:39:22 AM by Jason Mathias

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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How come everyone is always worried about the Russians

begging the question. Everyone isn't always worried about the Russians. We can say this is hyperbole and avoid the fallacy, but this is still a problem in rational argumentation.

did they forget that we are and have been for years up in the space station with them. 

I am not sure how to interpret this. The possibilities I see are

1) The Russians have cooperated with us in the past, so they can't not cooperate with us in the present or future.

2) The Russians cooperate with us on space endeavors, so they must cooperate with us on all other things.

3) ?

As for fallacies, perhaps fallacy of composition . It is being inferred that Russia as a whole is friendly to America because a part of Russia (the space program) is. Depending on what precisely is meant by the response, there are other problems with the reasoning including failure to allow for change or failure to differentiate among domains.

answered on Sunday, Oct 18, 2020 10:13:17 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Jason Mathias writes:

Person 2 has a bias for Trump. The intelligence that came out doesn't make Trump look to good, so I think person 2's biases caused them to come up with this argument to cast doubt on the actual evidence and facts that Russia does in fact have spies that work to get Trump elected to sew discord in our elections for their own political gain on the world geopolitical stage. 

I think their argument is, "How can Russia be a political foe, when they are a friend in space?  

The fact is, that the operations on the ISS have little to do with politics. The segmentization of operations is primarily a result of efforts to reduce the cost and duration of training. And science and scientists generally work together as a global community and isnt divided like geopolitical politics are. 

posted on Sunday, Oct 18, 2020 10:26:46 AM
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skips777 writes:
[To Jason Mathias ]

" to cast doubt on the actual evidence and facts that Russia does in fact have spies that work to get Trump elected to sew discord in our elections"

BWHAHAHAHAHA.......and the in dream world award goes to...

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Oct 20, 2020 02:22:55 AM
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Jason Mathias writes:

[To skips777]

Psychological Projection. Also, an appeal to ridicule fallacy.

Its a well established fact that Russian intelligence interfered in the 2016 elections to get Trump elected as seen by evidence here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

 

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Oct 20, 2020 04:13:36 PM
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Dr. Richard
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The answer to the question posed by Person 1 is either yes or no. Either you read it, or you didn't.

Do not get sucked into a discussion unless the subject is set forth with specificity.

answered on Monday, Oct 19, 2020 11:14:15 AM by Dr. Richard

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