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Bo Bennett, PhD

Wow! Did you see that teenager run that stop sign? Teenage drivers are really pathetic.

asked on Sunday, Apr 18, 2021 08:42:29 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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I would personally say this is a hasty generalization. While teens tend to be worse drivers than those over 25 because of brain development, I don't think they are generally pathetic, especially not on purpose. 

posted on Monday, Apr 19, 2021 04:35:10 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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So we have to fill in some gaps here. We are connecting the dots that this person thinks all/most teenagers are pathetic because of the one teenager who just drove through the stop sign. This might be the case, but doubtful in my opinion. I would think the person has a history of stories about bad teenager drivers along with a strong bias against them. Perhaps they are aware of the stats that "as a group" teenager drivers perform the worst (i.e., "pathetic") and that is what they are claiming. But this is just a guess—the way to know for sure is to ask them. Until we know, we refrain from saying they are reasoning poorly. There is no hard rule here though, because some implications are more obvious than others.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Apr 19, 2021 07:46:36 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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Would be the same if some said, "look at that black person robbing the liquor store. Black people are the worst."? 

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Apr 19, 2021 02:38:48 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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Yes. Or anything similar that plays on stereotypes or is consistent with the data. Keep in mind the universal doesn't have to mean "every" person in that group, or not even "most." Universals can refer to common group characteristics that are simply more common in that group. For example, "Dentists are suicidal." The fact is a very small percent (like 6 percent) actually commit suicide, but as a group, this is the largest percentage. This is why ambiguous statements like this are so problematic—it can mean anywhere from a few percent to 100%.

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By itself I would say a hasty generalization. If you bring up statics I would say no.

answered on Monday, Apr 19, 2021 08:11:41 AM by richard smith

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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This is just an opinion.

answered on Sunday, Apr 18, 2021 09:11:10 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Zakari writes:

How do we tell the difference?

 

posted on Monday, Apr 19, 2021 06:30:08 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:

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Good question. Because some arguments can be implied , even a look can be considered an argument. However, I try to take the "give the other person the benefit of the doubt" approach and assume opinion over poor reasoning if not clearly stated, otherwise, ask for clarification. An argument has reasons, and it is in these reasons we can look for fallacies or poor reasoning. Without the reasons, we have nothing—we have a claim or opinion where we cannot justify the reasoning that isn't there.

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Wouldn’t this be an opinion based on a non sequitur? 

“A teen ran a stop sign.

All teens are pathetic.”

implied: Get off my lawn!

answered on Monday, Apr 19, 2021 07:17:27 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:

See my comment to Electrical above. We don't know the reasoning, so we can't say that the conclusion doesn't follow from the reasons, because none were given—only a case of an observation.

posted on Monday, Apr 19, 2021 07:48:08 AM
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I have to agree with Dr. Bo in that until we know all of what prompts the two statements, we need to refrain from saying the person is necessarily reasoning poorly.   In a discussion with the individual, there's the opportunity to ask questions for clarification and understanding.  At the same time, if we're assessing whether the argument as presented is fallacious or valid, based just on what was presented in the one-liner, the argument seems to have some obvious flaws.

As I understand the argument, it goes like this:

Premise 1: One individual teenager ran a stop sign

Conclusion: Therefore, all (presumably) teen drivers are pathetic.

For openers, we seem to have some not-very-well defined terms, potentially leading to an ambiguity fallacy or perhaps even equivocation .  What does "run a stop sign" mean? ... drive through it at highway speeds or come not quite to a stop before moving through, or ... ?  Also, what is intended by "pathetic"? ... being of a very low standard or inspiring pity?  As well, there's the implication that there was no good reason for the driver not coming to a complete stop.

Also, there is the non sequitur of moving directly from failing to come to a complete stop to satisfying the requirement for being "pathetic".

Of course, there's an appeal to common beliefif we are part of a group of folks who believe teenage drivers are poor drivers.  There's a case to be made for cherry picking for taking one driving activity (performance by one driver at one stop sign) as an indicator of overall driving quality for all drivers of a particular class.

... but I digress ... the reality is that one does need more information and clarity before judging what the person actually believes and wants to say.

Still, like the "Can you Spot The Fallacy?" exercise we worked with a week or so ago, I found it interesting to see how many fallacies I could identify (even if I didn't get all the way through the alphabet! 😉) from a position presented in a fairly simply set of two sentences.

answered on Monday, Apr 19, 2021 10:17:26 AM by Arlo

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