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When logic fallacy is when a Conspiracy theorist implies Peer reviewed, double blind Studies with huge sample sizes are forged to an agenda ?

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Original Question

I understand their trying to “imply” bias for vaccine studies something similar to bias news sources spouting what ever narrative. This just seems like an unfalsifiable claim with the statically probability that somehow all these studies are forged is virtually impossible too boot.  
My friend- Of course the vaccine doesn’t work pharmaceutical companies did the studies. 
Me-So somehow the thousands to tens of thousands of people doing these studies have somehow forged the numbers without anybody getting wise? And how come the most heavily vaccinated areas have the lowest deaths and infections? 
My friend- You don’t understand they control the narrative, of course they can control the studies to what they can. I can show you studies that say the opposite!
Me- So now do you prove anything your saying? By your own logic how do you accept any claim your almost implying a sort of Nihilistic or relativistic way of knowing where objective facts are only opinions    
My friend- Well facts don’t really exist, science has been wrong before you know? Your making the claim that these studies are true, the burden of proof is on you! 
Me- I mean the studies themselves are the proof. When you do a study you have peer review. And how is Einstein updating physics with general relativity disproving Newton? I don’t know if I can say “science was wrong before”. New evidence is a sort of continuation. 
My friend - Well these “peer reviewed scientist”  how do you know they aren’t in on it too? 
Im sorry this is long but it’s like begging the question or something similar. It’s almost as If they will only accept something it if they were in 50 places at once and saw all these things happen in real time but then believe in Joe Rogan or some guy on YouTube in an instant…..

Comments on Question

"For one to hold a rational and justified conspiratorial view, one needs more evidence in support of the conspiracy than against it."

I don't agree. You're suggesting that we somehow measure the "amount" of pro-evidence versus con-evidence and support whichever amount is greater. In some cases, a single piece of evidence or logic can speak volumes.


In plain English, someone can give me a truckload of alleged evidence, but if I can find one piece of evidence or logic that shoots the whole thing down, then I'll shoot it down.

"There is nothing 'strange' about companies making money off their work."


There's nothing strange about corporate corruption, either; in fact, it appears to be the norm. And conspiracy is the handmaiden of corruption.


"Nothing is wrong with distrust, especially when certain figures' and institutions' histories warrant distrust, but creating a conspiratorial narrative that counters well-established scientific findings is a different level that is certainly fallacious."


Who decides what qualifies as "well-established scientific findings"?


Propagandists have certainly infiltrated the scientific community; there are probably lots of marine mammal biologists working for Exxon. (I've met one of them.)


I especially love the media's claim that there's a "scientific consensus" that genetically modified food is perfectly harmless. Isn't it amazing that the details of that "scientific consensus" are so hard to track down?


As for Johns Hopkins, just type "Johns Hopkins" + "scandal" into a search engine, and you'll find plenty of evidence that the folks who run that operation have dabbled in corruption/conspiracy. For example...


John Hopkins: $1 Billion Syphilis Lawsuit

Your question is a little hard to unravel. However, it sounds like you're criticizing people who think there's something conspiratorial about the coronavirus pandemic, particularly the vaccines.


In fact, there are lots of things about the pandemic that are awfully strange, and the major players are hardly trustworthy. Who are we supposed to trust - Donald Trump? Facebook? Bill Gates? Big pharmaceutical companies that have paid out billions of dollars in criminal penalties?


A couple other notes:


Einstein is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Do some research about him. He is widely accused of effectively plagiarizing most of his work. He had a daughter who mysteriously disappeared. His personal life was quite messy.


As for falsification, here's a question I've repeatedly asked on philosophy forums, without getting a single answer:


Can you give some specific examples of scientists using falsification?


In fact, there are certain scientific disciplines where falsification has no merit whatsoever, including historical science - and that's exactly what conspiracy theory is.

"You do agree. Evidence isn't measured in number. 'More evidence' refers to greater evidence."


That sounds like a circular argument. ;) Who decides which evidence is "greater"? The media swear by their evidence, even if it can't be disclosed because it might jeopardize national security. The 9/11 truthers swear by a commercial airliner that was supposedly flown into the Pentagon without being photographed.


Me: "Who decides what qualifies as 'well-established scientific findings'?"


You: "Scientists."


Another circular argument. Who decides who is qualified as a "scientist"? And who decides which scientists get to give their stamp of approval to "well-established scientific findings"? When I worked as a wildlife biologist in Alaska, we were constantly shocked by the higher ranking, invisible scientists who made decisions that flew in the face of what we observed in the field.


"There are essentially two propositions: accept published, peer-reviewed, strong consensus-based scientific findings or reject them."


That's a textbook example of a false dilemma, eerily similar to George W. Bush's challenge, "Either you're with us or you're against us." (I don't recall if those were his exact words.)


"You appear to be rejecting them. What are your sources for providing the evidence for rejecting? Are these sources free from 'scandal'? If not, why the double standard? Who are you trusting here?"


I use a combination of evidence and logic. The government, corporate sector and media have a track record for corruption (e.g. conspiracy) and lying. I have far more respect for scientists, and, like I said, even "scientists" can't always be trusted.


So I'm not going to automatically swallow their BS, just because they claim it's backed up with a peer-reviewed paper or world famous authority.


In fact, the mainstream pandemic account is studded with red flags. For example, the media endlessly rant about the evil Chinese covering up something sinister that allegedly happened at Wuhan. Yet they scarcely mention Fort Detrick, which is kind of weird, considering the amazing events that happened there the summer before the pandemic officially began.


Then we have the censorship campaign spearheaded by - get ready for it - Google, Facebook and Twitter. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?


Like they say, where there's smoke, there's fire, and when the entire Internet is saturated with claims, counter-claims, respectable conspiracy theories, preposterous conspiracy theories and sheer idiocy, only a fool would volunteer to be used as a guinea pig for not just one vaccination but as many as four vaccinations, after which they may still get COVID, and they may still be required to wear a mask.


Frankly, I don't think it's worth it when the death toll works out to approximately one person for every 2,000 people. And if you do a little research on mortality rates, you'll discover more interesting things.

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It isn't really a fallacy, merely an implausible/improbable claim.  We are however now finding out the Coronavirus vaccine was oversold and are paying the price for this. 


There are ways to forge the outcome of a study, that gets round *all* those checks.  The way you do it is you replicate the methodology of an earlier study that you know will reliably produce the 'desired' outcome, even if the methodology is inherently flawed. 


Fixing scientific research is a lot less crude than you seem to think it is.  If a methodology produces a result, the same methodology will likely produce the same result.  All you have to do in order to fix science to fit your agenda is go through past studies that support your claim, analyze their methodology and then replicate them exactly.


Money is crucial here.  With a lot of money, you can swamp the field with an endless array of identical studies producing identical outcomes, right or wrong.  As a great number of 'peer reviewers' were employed in such studies, they are biased to accept your methodology is valid. 


Vaccine companies are indeed a perfect example of this.  Collectively all vaccine companies have the same interest, establishing the effectiveness of their particular vaccines.  So the accepted methodology used for vaccines will be biased in favor of positive rather than negative results, since negative results is money lost by said companies. 

conspiracy theory (the fallacy)


I have read an amusing anecdote that went something like this: When your conspiracy theorist friend starts making some outrageous claim, use their own logic against them.


Friend: "You know that we never really landed on the moon, don't you?"


You: "Oh, you're one of THOSE people... who believe in the moon."


or in this case...


Friend: "You don’t understand they control the narrative, of course they can control the studies to what they can. I can show you studies that say the opposite! "


You: "There is a major conspiracy led by JFK jr. (who is alive and well) to take down the vaccine companies so he can become the first trillionaire with his underground company that controls 100% of the world's supply of Ivermectin. You are part of the sheeple being manipulated to help him carry out his plan. BTW, Ivermectin contains alien parasites that control how you vote."

I don't believe it is unfalsifiable. The factual claim could be shown to be false. I would say your friend has made a series of unsupported opinions. No fallacies because no argument was made.


However, take a look at the ad hoc rescue fallacy as a possibility.

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