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Dillon James

What logical fallacies when these three statments fall under?

I am trying to teach myself at understanding fallacies; however, it seems that the simplest of fallacies are becoming hard for me to identify. What fallacies would the below statements fall under and why?

" You play Call of Duty a lot so you must know a lot about weapons."

"Sure, people can die in airplane crashes, but you can die in your own bathtub, too."

"Teachers who cheat should not only be fired but be put in jail because that will stop the cheating problem."
asked on Sunday, Aug 12, 2018 01:17:37 PM by Dillon James

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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Hi Dillion,

One thing to keep in mind is that examples of poor reasoning can match many fallacies. You might see this in action as I have some ideas here and others will have different ideas that may be equally as "correct." The best way (I think) of identifying fallacies is to break them down and identify what is wrong with the reasoning. From there, fallacies will be easier to identify. You also might find that the problem isn't related to a fallacy, but perhaps a cognitive bias, incorrect knowledge, or something else.

You play Call of Duty a lot so you must know a lot about weapons.



I know a little about this game, enough to understand that many weapons are used in the game. From the statement, I don't know of the speaker is implying that I can pick up a rocket launcher in real life and know what I am doing because I have experience with video game version (unreasonable), or the speaker mean that I can rattle off a bunch of names of weapons and some characteristics about the weapons (reasonable). Assuming the speaker meant the former, then the clear fallacy is equivocation , because the speaker is equivocating the concept of "know" when it comes to weapons.

Sure, people can die in airplane crashes, but you can die in your own bathtub, too.



This is factually correct. Here, we need to ask what the speaker is implying, or at times when we can't ask for clarification, we can make some educated guesses at the implication. It sounds to me as if the speaker is implying that taking baths are just as dangerous as flying. Assuming I am right, now we have to deal with the truthfulness of that statement. Without Googling it, it does not seem too far-fetched give the safety of commercial air travel. So this may simply be a case of being wrong about a statistical claim, or it could be accurate - no fallacy. If I am off with the implied argument, there could be a fallacy based on the actual argument. We just know know given the limited information.

Teachers who cheat should not only be fired but be put in jail because that will stop the cheating problem.



First we should address the unsupported claim, that jailing cheating teachers would stop the cheating problem. Even under Sharia law where people are killed for things like adultery, adultery still exists in those societies. So this in an unsupported claim - they are most likley also factually incorrect. Assuming they mean "deter" instead of "stop," this is a statement of value, meaning that if one believes cheating by teachers is horrible that jailing them is justified, then it is simply a personal belief.

Hope this helps.
answered on Sunday, Aug 12, 2018 02:05:55 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Bryan
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" You play Call of Duty a lot so you must know a lot about weapons."

Seems like a non sequitur; you could take an interest in the weapons or just play the game with as little regard to the weapons as possible. Even if you take great interest you're still limited to game knowledge, not real world knowledge, and taking this a step further, interest, time and access to knowledge do not necessarily equal knowledge.

"Sure, people can die in airplane crashes, but you can die in your own bathtub, too."

I don't know the context but that seems reasonable. In the US there's a bathtub drowning pretty much every day, and Donald Trump taking credit for no aviation crash deaths last year would suggest there were none.

"Teachers who cheat should not only be fired but be put in jail because that will stop the cheating problem."

For the first part: Despite the rhetoric of certain people in recent times, western nations jail people for crimes. Should we put children in jail if we think it might stop them biting their nails? I don't know about a fallacy but an inappropriate solution or response (unless it's actually a crime which carries a jail sentence, in which case a description of the judicial system).

2nd part: maybe false effect. I don't think punishment is a very effective way to prevent crime; career criminals just factor it as a risk and even inevitably, crimes of passion aren't thought through and the known punishment clearly doesn't stop them. In my opinion it's more about retribution than a deterrent or as rehabilitation.

answered on Sunday, Aug 12, 2018 11:15:56 PM by Bryan

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