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Did I commit any fallacies here?In a debate about guns on a debate forum I wrote the follows:
"The facts and stats remain the same and they are backed up not only by the likes of the US National Safety Council and numerous peer-reviewed studies but also The World Health Organisation. The facts are as follows: Gun violence including homicide, suicide, and injury are still a prevalent problem in many nations across the globe including the USA. It has been shown that ease of accessibility regarding firearms is linked with more homicide rates. Most people who possess a firearm within their homes are more likely to become victims of either suicide or homicide. Firearms have the capacity to cause far more damage than sharp objects (this is pretty much a no brainer) and they do. And the USA is no exception. Death by an assault from a firearm is still among the top leading causes of death within in the US. Sharp objects are also in that list, but they are farther down from firearms. Gun bans and/or restrictions are effective at preventing firearm-related violence. Ref: World Health Organisation www.who.int/violence_inju. . . US National Safety Council – Lifetime odds of death for selected causes, United States, 2017. injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-i. . . US National Safety Council – Gun related deaths in 2017. injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-. . . The above are substantial claims, and there is not one reputable authority that refutes them. These claims are also premises that support the conclusion that more could be done to reduce firearm violence; the given conclusion follows on logically from the premises. One might argue here that I am committing the argument from authority fallacy (argumentum ab auctoritate). However, in this instance, there is an exception to the rule where authority, in this case, is relevant. An example of a fallacious argument from authority would be if I were to say “My neighbor is a really smart guy and he says gun violence is a significant problem in the US. Therefore, gun violence is a Significant problem.” This is indeed fallacious and thus invalid. The reason why the argument from authority regarding gun violence is valid and perfectly acceptable here is that the authority being referenced consists of a plethora of highly credible people that have spent decades researching the issues surrounding gun violence that deserve at least some consideration. By the way, while I am at this point I would like to point out that just because an argument may consist of what may generally be viewed as containing a fallacy doesn’t always mean to say that the argument is invalid, and the reason for this is the fact that there are often many exceptions to the “fallacy” rule if that makes sense? Ironically, downgrading and/or concluding with an immediacy that an argument is invalid because you’ve seen what you think is a fallacy is fallacious i.e. ‘argumentum ad logicam (AKA The Fallacy Fallacy).’ Anyway, I may have appeared to somewhat have digressed a little and so I will return more to the topic at current. What I would like to do now is take issue with some of the things regarding the original post which I wrote, as after some reflection I think some things could do with a retraction. The fact is that there is crime surrounding both handguns and high powered guns and there does need to be something done to reduce the number of casualties that occur from gun-related crime each year. Now, while statistically more people in the US are killed every year by hand-guns this still does not justify the need to own much more high powered weapons capable of killing numerous amounts of people in seconds. High powered weapons are not needed to for self-defense where a simple hand-gun will suffice. Further, nor will either hand-guns or high powered guns be enough to do anything in the extremely improbable event of Government Tyranny. So, based on this high powered guns are not needed and can be rightly so, extinguished. So, this is one of the first steps to reducing casualties and/or deaths that occur as a result of high powered weapons; to make them inaccessible. The bits I am taking issue with are highlighted in bold. With regard to psychological checks, I do now hold that psychological checking would imply that a lot of firearm-related violence revolves around mental illness when in fact it doesn't, and statistically, what's more, is that there is hardly any evidence at all that links mental illness with firearm violence. Furthermore, this also stigmatism among the mentally ill and sets them up to be victims of hate crime. With respect to police officers, I have to admit this bit is a bit ridiculous and seems to imply that a lot of gun-related violence revolves around police officers contributing to it when again this is statistically very rare. The last issue I have is with the actual title of this thread which I sometimes wonder if comes across as somewhat preachy. Yeah, I don't always agree with everything I say either, and no I am not hearing voices haha. However, as Socrates Said, "The unexamined life isn't worth living" I also say the unexamined thought isn't worth thinking." I was accused of a fallacy here. However, I do think that the 'fallacy in an argument' on the forum might be getting overused. Do you see any fallacies here or perhaps just some factual errors? Thanks. |
asked on Saturday, Apr 27, 2019 02:18:11 PM by Jack | |
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