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DigitalFormNeo

Appeal To Reality

Not sure if you people are aware of fictional debating, but in case you aren't. There's this thing called fictional debating when people place one fictional character against another character (more than often from another series) and while fictional debating uses most of the fallacies used in an normal debate.

There's this fallacy called "Appeal To Reality" in which the fallacy is that using something that is applicable to reality and using it to debunk something in a fictional setting (For example, someone saying it's impossible for a character to move at light speeds because in reality, it's impossible or saying it's not possible for someone to time travel because it's impossible for us to do so in reality. Stuff of that nature). So my question to you is, does this qualify as a fallacy
asked on Wednesday, Jun 12, 2019 12:25:09 AM by DigitalFormNeo

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skips777
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No....saying "in reality so and so, therefore in nonreality" isn't fallacious. That's simply stupidity.
answered on Wednesday, Jun 12, 2019 06:22:53 AM by skips777

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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It would depend on what is being debated. For example, if the subject of the debate is who is more realistic or likely to exist in our world, then pointing out impossibilities and magic is perfectly legit. Also, pointing our inconsistencies might require appealing to reality (at least the reality of the fictional universe). In science-fiction writing, the universe being created has to be believable where it does follow laws, although the laws might be different. In short, what I would see mattering in debates about fictional characters is consistency, not reality. Appealing to our universe to argue for the absurdity of a fictional universe does seem fallacious.
answered on Wednesday, Jun 12, 2019 06:41:54 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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mchasewalker
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What a perfectly nonsensical critique in a "fictional debate", no less. Although I can imagine it being the literary equivalent of Fantasy football where you can create your own Frankenstein quarterback (team) with super human skills. The problem with the supposed 'appeal to reality' fallacy is that it undermines the very art and function of fiction as a literary genre.

Fiction requires at least two fundamental elements of writerly craft: Verisimilitude, defined as" The appearance of being true or real. So, whether it is possible in reality or not is irrelevant and even antithetical to the art form itself. Great fiction must at least appear to be believable, regardless of whether it is or not. Ironically, verisimilitude is a highly utilized factor in historical scholarship as well. Historical documents are examined with a keen eye on verisimilitude to determine its authenticity.

The next important literary evaluation goes back to Aristotle. In Aristotelian terms, be it Sophocles, or Mad Max: Fury Road, we subconsciously suspend disbelief and join in on the confrontational, and cathartic (katharsis) climax as it unfolds.

According to the English poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge, in his 1817 “Biographia Literaria”: We are mandated... "to persons and characters supernatural, or at least romantic; yet so as to transfer from our inward nature a human interest and a semblance of truth sufficient to procure for these shadows of imagination that willing suspension of disbelief for the moment..."
answered on Wednesday, Jun 12, 2019 12:43:22 PM by mchasewalker

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