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Is it possible to go through life without using any fallacious reasoning?

Can a person go through their whole life without using any fallacious reasoning? I don't think they can. You certainly can lower the amount, but can a person stop all together? I am reading a book called "Thank You For Arguing" by Jay Heinrichs. He says logical fallacies are permissible in rhetoric as long as they are effective in persuading the audience. If you are a lawyer or politician employing the use of fallacies is even less avoidable than for the population at large, but is this because of the average person's ignorance of logic or is it because the art of persuasion requires the use of fallacies? (or is it something else? Don't want to make a fallacy of false dilemma)
asked on Saturday, Apr 07, 2018 12:52:15 PM by noblenutria@gmail.com

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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As we have seen before, the concept of fallacious reasoning is on a continuum, meaning that to many observers, one can be committing a logical fallacy where to others they are not. This just makes any kind of objective measurement practically impossible, thus the question really cannot be answered.

You mention the claim that "logical fallacies are permissible in rhetoric as long as they are effective in persuading the audience." It should be noted that this is a value proposition and not a rule of logic. Many logical fallacies have counterparts in argumentation—this is true. But to purposely trick someone into using poor logic for the purpose of persuasion is dubious, at best. Perhaps this is why people don't like lawyers very much :)

In my view, effective persuasion does not require fallacies. Take for example the appeal to emotion . The fallacy here is ignoring reason or evidence in favor of emotion. Emotion is extremely powerful in persuasion and should be used, but not that the expense of reason and evidence . We can persuade people to give to worthy charities by also connecting emotionally with them. No fallacies needed.
answered on Saturday, Apr 07, 2018 02:33:30 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Night
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Most fallacies involve incorrect application of reasoning that could potentially be used to a valid argument. It's also human nature to have biases and hypocrisy is another thing that'll happen at some point in your life no matter how much you try to avoid it.

Fallacies are definitely a part of anything the involves manipulating perception. Marketing for example uses quite a bit of misdirection and can downright prey on people's insecurities simply to convince them they need something they really don't.

In short people are flawed and fallible so you're bound to slip up every now and then and there are circumstances that can make it more likely than others. That's why it's important to be aware of your fallibility and to do your best to catch yourself and others when something's off with the arguments.
answered on Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 12:35:39 AM by Night

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Jorge
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I had a discussion with someone else in this forum precisely about the rightness or wrongness of using fallacies to persuade someone. Dr. Bo suggests that no fallacies are needed in order to make a strong argument. One can connect via emotions in an honest way. As far as the "moral status" of using a fallacy, maybe its unnecessary but one can think of an example where using a fallacy is ok. I posted in the exchange that perhaps using a fallacy to deceive a nazi in order to protect Jewish people would be ok. The example is weird but I think it illustrates a point (maybe you don't want to risk lives by being honest). I don't know what you think about this proposition. Would be very happy to know your opinion on it.
answered on Sunday, Apr 08, 2018 07:52:24 PM by Jorge

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