Lynx Ssss

Weak Analogy?

1. Human body is more complex than a snowman.

2. Nature can't create snowman which is less complex than humans

3. Therefore nature can't create human and hence god exists.

asked on Tuesday, Jul 20, 2021 06:34:53 AM by Lynx Ssss

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Shawn writes:

I wonder if this would also be considered a strawman argument. The questioner here seems to hold the position of God's non-existence and makes reference to a very lame or weak example to represent the position of those who do believe in God. It almost sounds like it was written by someone whose thoughts are very disjointed, thus implying that believers, in general, embrace disjointed or confused thoughts when presenting their position. Thus, it is assumed, that the argument of unbelief is the stronger one.  Personally, the first two points don't even need to be presented at all and one could go right to point number three and unpack and discuss that. That is my 2 cents worth.

posted on Wednesday, Jul 21, 2021 07:49:42 AM
LogicG writes:

I see this argument from a different perspective:

stalactite picture @

Stalagmites in Carlsbad Caverns National Park, New Mexico.
Peter Jones/NPS Photo


Which one is more complex, snowman or the stalactite in the photo, and why?



posted on Thursday, Jul 22, 2021 05:34:37 AM
Lynx Ssss writes:
[To LogicG]

I don't know but snowman is more complex?

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I wouldn't say a weak analogy, but it would be a non sequitur , an argument from ignorance , and the argument is begging the question more than once.

First, I don't see any analogy being proposed here. The human body is not being compared to a snowman; rather, two examples are being presented—something nature can do and something it can't do.

Second, this argument equally proves god doesn't exist (by the same flawed logic, which we will get to):

1. Human body is more complex than a snowman.
2. God can't create snowman which is less complex than humans 
3. Therefore God can't create human and hence god doesn't exists. 

Now for the problems:

1) The fact that nature doesn't isn't the same as nature can't. The argument is begging the question by assuming impossibility. We can only assert that, to the best of our knowledge, nature has not created a snowman (charitably saying a "snowman" has a corncob pipe and button note and two eyes made out of coal, not just three rounded clumps of snow on top of each other)—not that it is impossible for nature to create a snowman. This would allow us to reject premise #2.

2) The argument is begging the question  by assuming complexity is the reason for nature not creating the snowman. This would be like saying because I can't lift a one pound rock on the moon, I can't lift a two pound rock here on earth. I can't lift the one pound rock on the moon because I can't get to the moon. Nature wouldn't create a snowman because the design is not consistent with natural selection—it is just something nature wouldn't do based on everything we know about nature.

3) Based on #1 and #2, the first part of the conclusion is a non sequitur — it doesn't follow.

4) The "hence god exists" is a simple argument from ignorance or more specifically the God of the gaps. If we did manage to rule out nature, it would be something else (perhaps aliens).

answered on Tuesday, Jul 20, 2021 07:30:23 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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