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Matthew S Parrott

False Justification and/or Logical Fallacy

I have a friend who is using the existence of a double standard to justify behavior.

his argument is this: Because black people can use the n word, anyone should be able to use the n word. Or at least, black people can’t complain when other people use the n word.

It stands to reason that just because group A isn’t following the rule, that’s not justification for group B to ignore it.

If neither blacks nor whites should use the ‘n’ word; if blacks use it then whites can use it. That seems like a fallacy. But which one?

asked on Tuesday, Jan 12, 2021 08:18:27 AM by Matthew S Parrott

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Jordan Pine writes:

This strikes me as a moral fallacy, not a logical one, along the lines of what your mother taught you: ‘Two wrongs don’t make a right.’

It’s an interesting thought about logic, though, since there is a mathematical equivalent: Two negatives don’t yield a positive. Why isn’t there a logical equivalent?

On a side note: Prof. Bo’s reply reminded me of a Latin phrase my history professor once told us: ‘Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.’ Literally, it translates: ‘What is permissible for Jupiter is not permissible for cows.’ Connotatively, it is more like ‘rank has it privileges.’ More broadly, it expresses the idea that what it permissible for some is not permissible for others, so deal with it!

 

Not exactly the same wavelength as the question, but amusing and worth sharing!

posted on Thursday, Jan 14, 2021 08:06:15 AM
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DrBill writes:

NYT used the phrase "ethnocentric insider-outsider doctrine"  probably 30 years ago. 

It is not a fallacy, but it is a fact of life.

I don't use the term and don't rec anyone black or white use it, but if it's a term of community, so be it.  There is no speech nazi... except if one is white.  lol

posted on Thursday, Jan 14, 2021 09:45:10 PM

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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The big problem is your friend assumes all rules are the same for everyone. This is a false assumption. For example, a doctor can give medical advice; a life coach can't (unless the life coach is a medical doctor). I can smack my wife on the butt; you can't. Etc. It is the misuse of the double standard .  
Instead of judging two situations by different standards when, in fact, you should be using the same standard, your friend is judging two situations by the same standard when, in fact, they should be using the two different standards.

answered on Tuesday, Jan 12, 2021 08:28:21 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Matthew S Parrott writes:

That seems to be true, too, but not the fallacy I’m addressing. Let’s stipulate that there is a double standard. Isn’t there still a flaw in his logic? I don’t think it’s a propositional fallacy. It feels more syllogistic.

posted on Tuesday, Jan 12, 2021 08:32:57 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
[To Matthew S Parrott]

I don't see this as a logical flaw, but just a false assumption that the same standard applies to everyone. If we did start with this assumption being true, they would be correct.

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Jan 12, 2021 08:39:07 AM
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Matthew S Parrott writes:
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Thanks for the discussion. Sorry if I’m belaboring this, but I love conversations like this.

If I understand you, assuming there is a double standard, group a breaking the rule does justify group b also breaking the rule?

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Jan 12, 2021 08:58:45 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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There is a difference between a double standard and different standards. By definition, a double standard is unfair. A double standard might be a woman grabbing a male stranger's butt being seen as funny, whereas a man grabbing a female stranger's butt would be sexual assault. In this case, the "rule" is "no grabbing stranger's butts." Either group breaking the rule is wrong. Suggesting that one group is justified breaking the rule because of the actions of the other is essentially the fallacy of two wrongs make a right .

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Jan 12, 2021 09:09:00 AM
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Dr. Richard
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As always, check your premises: The claim “Because black people can use the n word, ...” may not be true. Puff, there goes the discussion.

I suppose it could be tu quoque because the argument states that a particular position is false or wrong and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to act consistently per that position. 

Or, perhaps, Fallacy of Composition because it assumes that something true of part of a whole (some black people use the “n” word) must also be true of the whole (all black people use the “n” word).

Or, stretch a bit and get the If-by-Whiskey fallacy. At least, it is more fun.

answered on Wednesday, Jan 13, 2021 10:12:52 AM by Dr. Richard

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LogicG
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P1: A is allowed to do blabla.
P2: Letting A but not everyone else to do blabla is practicing double standard.
P3: Practicing double standard is wrong.
C: Therefore, if A is allowed to do blabla, everyone else should be allowed to do blabla.


Most likely P2 is to be challenged. 
For, black people calling themselves the n word but not letting non-black people to use the word is not practicing double standard. The n word, when used by black people, is self-referential; the n word, when used by non-black people, is not self-referential. 
I can self-reference "this silly" in my email to a close friend.
Is it appropriate for a stranger to use "you silly" to refer to me?
A friend of mine may use "you silly" to refer to me because the close relationship has altered the pragmatic part of the phrase, not because I and my friend are practicing any double standard.


Further, P2 does not have to be in any language usage setting. There are a lot of settings, including the ones mentioned in the posts above, in which A's doing blabla but not others' doing blabla is justified. By the way, a man may not be justified to smack his wife on the butt. In fact, a man, most likely silly, rude, and violent,  who smacks his wife on the butt, is almost always not justified.  


To conclude, if A is justified to do blabla, but others are not justified to do blabla, then letting A but not others to do blabla is not practicing double standard.

I don't really see any type of fallacy. It just looks like a bad argument that has one fatally false premise. If I were you, by the way, I would not become a man who smacks his wife on the butt, or I would not become such a man's wife. 

answered on Thursday, Jan 14, 2021 06:48:37 AM by LogicG

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