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Schmuel

New Sub-Category of the Ad-Hominem Fallacy: Appeal to the Unqualified Person

Appeal to the Unqualified Person : A logical fallacy where [opposite to the Appeal to Authority fallacy]- instead of accepting an argument because it comes from “authority”, in this fallacy, the argument is rejected [refused to be heard or weighed objectively] because the speaker of the argument is supposedly unqualified or not an authority on the matter.

Example A:

Carson: 'I believe there is evidence that DDT is detrimental to people's health. There are studies that show".. [Interrupted]

White-Stevens: 'Are you a Chemist? Do you have a degree in medicine? You are not an expert or authority on the matter. You should keep your opinions to yourself.'

Explanation: While Carson is 'just' a marine biologist and environmental activist, she has the right skills and moral aptitude, which give her a unique perspective on this matter. Regardless, her theory, logical argument, and evidence, which she wants to present, should be considered objectively, regardless of her societal 'rank' and place of 'authority'.

Example B:

Two parents arguing about an education issue with their child:

Parent A: "I think we should let Rachel read foreign press and news articles if she want to. The logic behind this is..." [Interrupted]

Parent B: 'Are you a teacher? do you have a doctorate in education?? The ministry of education says that it is detrimental for our children to be exposed to information outside the state run internet firewall. They say it hurts moral and social-cohesion and that they will be exposed to lies and conspiracy theories about our great government and leaders. They are the authorities on this, while you are no authority, so there is no point in hearing your argument about this matter.'

Explanation: While parent A is not a so-called 'governmental authority' in this matter, he has a logical argument to make, which should be heard and weighed in an objective manner. This fallacy activates social-psychological tendencies [indoctrination, group think etc.] in order to remove 'dissenting' arguments and voices, and is often used to discredit minority or "unwanted" opinions.

Exception: If there is a critical time constraint- in an emergency[as opposed to an intellectual argument], where there is no time to hear multiple opinions , it is acceptable and practical to pick and choose the ones you think are experts on the matter.

Example: During a medical operation, if the cleaning person wants to give their advice on how to proceeded with the operation, the doctors can refuse to hear his/her opinion, because there is not enough time and it is a life and death emergency.

*People should be aware of these emergency-power situations, because they have potential to be abused.

Any thoughts?

*[If you are not an expert/authority on this issue do not bother to comment- your post will be deleted (not really- this is another example of the fallacy)].

asked on Sunday, Jun 05, 2022 02:34:21 PM by Schmuel

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Shawn writes:

An Appeal to Unqualified Authority (aka: argumentum ad verecundiam) is also a fallacy that is committed whenever someone proposes that some conclusion is true because someone who is NOT an authority on the subject SAID it was true. In other words, the very fact that I am not an authority means a greater likelihood that what I am saying is true. This is an example of those who are suspicious of any kind of authority because it is felt they have an agenda. In contrast, the person with no authority has no agenda and is only interested in the truth.  This is a naive position to take, as well as compelling us to ask the question regarding how the non-authority arrived at their conclusion? Generally, an authority on a given topic will have at least a methodology or sources to back up claims, whereas a person who is not an authority on a given topic generally relies on subjective opinions with no methodology we can critique.  

posted on Sunday, Jun 05, 2022 04:38:15 PM
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Schmuel writes:
[To Shawn]

Yes, that is another sub-category.

The only thing I would caution against is the generalization in your last sentence. In our quest for the Truth, we should not assume (ad-hominem) too much about who is making the argument, but rather try to test the argument objectively, on its own merit.

[ login to reply ] posted on Sunday, Jun 05, 2022 06:02:06 PM
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Ed F writes:
[To Shawn]

Different sources use the same name to describe different fallacies. The sources I've seen describe "Appeal To Unqualified Authority" as appealing to someone who is not qualified, as where a physicist gives advice on a political issue (in which he is not an expert).  

The way you define it, the arguer is saying that something should be believed precisely because the source is not an "authority"; that "experts' should be distrusted in favor of non-authorities.  

If you have a source that defines it that way I'd be curious to see it as that would be a new one for me.

[ login to reply ] posted on Sunday, Jun 05, 2022 06:03:14 PM
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Schmuel writes:
[To Shawn]

Another specific example could be:

Person A is a professor in virology with 30 years experience and a noble prize. He wants to give his opinion regarding a new viral outbreak.

Person B Does not want to consider Person's A's argument because he is not an authority figure or a representative of the ministry of health. Person B can also use all kinds of attempts at rationalization such as ad hominem attacks, special pleading etc. to try to justify why he doesn't want to listen to person A's argument. Maybe 'he is too old and going senile', or 'he is probably only seeking attention and relevancy' .

Arguments and evidence should be considered in an objective manner, regardless of the social rank or authority of the speaker.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Jun 06, 2022 07:03:14 PM
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Petra Liverani writes:

This is a logical fallacy that drives me absolutely nuts so I'm grateful you've identified it. I'm simply mystified by how people instantly judge by source and qualifications. It's the content that counts. It's as if people can't trust their own critical thinking abilities to assess the validity of an argument and "peer-reviewed paper" is their response to everything. "Thousands of scientists ... " with no understanding that sages throughout history have reiterated including Giordano Bruno:

"It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."

posted on Tuesday, Jun 07, 2022 09:20:04 AM

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Ed F
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This is generally known as the Credentials Fallacy, which as you suggest, is a sub-category of Ad Hominem.   Here's a website that discussed this:  https://effectiviology.com/credentials-fallacy/

When this is used in the context of a critic not having credentials to criticize, it's called Courtier's Reply.  see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtier%27s_reply

answered on Sunday, Jun 05, 2022 05:50:29 PM by Ed F

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Schmuel writes:

Thank you.

Yes they are close, but in the 'appeal to the unqualified/ignorant', a credential doesn't have to be involved. It can just be a social 'rank', or any title of authority. So if Mr. X [a 'non authority'] tries to claim something that is 'against' or contrary to what 'authorities' are saying, his argument will be suppressed, regardless of how many degrees he has.

posted on Sunday, Jun 05, 2022 06:17:48 PM
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Ed F writes:

“Lacking credentials” doesn’t necessarily refer to lacking a degree or license, it refers to lacking expertise in a subject.   For example, in the link I gave earlier, this example is given:

Alex: Maybe you shouldn’t let your kid play with that electrical socket.

Bob: If you’re not a parent, then don’t give me any parenting advice.

posted on Sunday, Jun 05, 2022 09:38:56 PM
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Schmuel writes:

[To Ed F]

Another specific example could be:

Person A is a professor of virology with 30 years experience and a noble prize. He wants to give his opinion regarding a new viral outbreak.

Person B Does not want to consider Person's A's argument because he is not an authority figure or a representative of the ministry of health. Person B can also use all kinds of attempts at rationalization to excuse his authoritative and conformist stance. Faulty reasoning such as ad hominem attacks, special pleading etc. to try to justify why he doesn't want to listen to person A's argument: Maybe person A- ' is too old and going senile', or 'he is probably only seeking attention and relevancy' .

Arguments and evidence should be considered in an objective manner, regardless of the social rank or authority of the speaker.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Jun 06, 2022 07:06:12 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

Yeah, good answer. I was going to mention the Courtier's Reply.

posted on Monday, Jun 06, 2022 09:07:41 AM
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Schmuel writes:

Another example of this sub-category would be in an army setting- although in that case it is highly debatable if it is a fallacy, since it deals with an 'emergency' situation and not an intellectual debate, although even in an army (during a planning stage-not in the midst of battle), this is still a fallacy:

A strategic debate in army headquarters:

Officer A :'We should attack because X Y Z'

Soldier B:' I don't think this is the right time to attack, because of... '[interrupted]

Officer A: 'What rank are you? Do you see my rank? Then shut up- your opinion is irrelevant.'

Officer C: ' Wait, I still want to hear his opinion and evaluate its logic.'

Officer C saved the (logical-) day.

posted on Monday, Jun 06, 2022 07:21:29 PM
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Ed F writes:
[To Schmuel]

I disagree. There’s nothing fallacious about an army officer dismissing what a soldier or junior officer has to say just because of their rank.   Because of the nature of military operations, rank matters.  Not everyone’s opinion or arguments need be considered; having rank by definition means it’s your call.   it isn’t a debate; the ranking officer may be wrong but it’s their call. 

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, Jun 06, 2022 10:36:32 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:
[To Ed F]

If an  outsider  where to say "Soldier B is wrong because their rank is lower than Officer A", then I can see a fallacy there.

But saying that it's Officer A's decision , not Soldier B's, because Officer A has a higher rank? That's accurate, IMO. In terms of who gets to  make  the decision, there's no truth/validity/soundness component.

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Jun 07, 2022 05:09:07 AM
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Schmuel writes:
[To Ed F]

1. I commented at the beginning that this is an extreme case- debatable. It is meant to outline the fallacy more clearly. The more this fallacy is committed, the more our society will be authoritative like for instance - the military.

2. Details - A. The soldier was in the room- meaning he was meant to be a part of the discussion. Maybe he is an expert is strategy, or very smart and creative or something else.

B. Of course a higher rank can outweigh a lower one in the army, but this was a debate in strategy, and the soldier was interrupted- his argument was not heard or weighed objectively because he was not an authority or not ranked high enough in the authority-ladder [this was used as an excuse by the officer]. If his argument would have been heard and considered objectively, and then "outranked"- no fallacy would be made.

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Jun 07, 2022 05:04:57 PM
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Schmuel writes:

[To Schmuel]

P.S.  Anyone who has been in the military probably knows that it is not necessarily 'a bastion of logic' :)

[see Heller's book- 'Catch 22' ]

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, Jun 07, 2022 06:07:43 PM