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VanDisease

Read this somewhere in reddit. Is this a fallacy?

Any fallacies evident in either statement?
A: Reading book X (Bible, Mein Kampfe, etc) is worthwhile because there are
gems of (wisdom, insight, etc) inside.
B: You can find whole kernels in a pile of feces, too, but that still doesn't make it a
reasonable go-to source of corn to eat.

asked on Friday, May 13, 2022 11:20:44 PM by VanDisease

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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I see this as a wisecrack - something a late night host would say to get a laugh while making a point. As far as weak analogy goes, this is subjective. One would have to argue why it is more unlike than like. I would be on the side for it being more like. The point being made, as I see it, is that there are far better sources of wisdom available that don't include as much nonsense or even bad or harmful advice/commentary. Of course, one can disagree with the implied claim that the books used in the example fit this category.

answered on Saturday, May 14, 2022 05:47:40 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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KDU writes:

I agree, although one could make the case that the books mentioned are worth reading for a deeper understanding of their cultural/historical context. You aren't going to find much wisdom in Mein Kampf, but you would gain insights into Hitler's psychological states and the types of views that were prevalent among he and his followers at the time.

Of course, such information is probably not useful or interesting to many outside of academia.

 

posted on Saturday, May 14, 2022 07:30:07 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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Right, in which case, one would be debating the claim itself (that certain books aren't worth reading). So no fallacy, just disagreement with a claim.

[ login to reply ] posted on Saturday, May 14, 2022 07:38:49 AM
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Ed F
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This is (as earlier mentioned), a terrible analogy.

An Argument By Analogy has the form:

A has attributes a, b, c etc. and z (or possibly y and w as well)

B has attributes a, b, and c etc. 

Therefore, B probably has z etc. also.

The elements that are compared are called analogues.  a, b and c in the above form are called "primary analogues."     x is called the "secondary analogue."  

In determining whether an argument is a good analogy rather than committing the fallacy of false or weak analogy the following factors are relevant:

1.  How relevant are the similarities between the primary and secondary analogues to each other.

2. The number of similarities between the primary and secondary analogues  (how many a,b,c vs x,y,z etc.  are similar)

3. The number of relevant dissimilarities between the primary and secondary analogues.

4.  The number of primary analogues.

5.  Diversity among the primary analogues.  

6.  How specific the conclusion is.  The more specific, the weaker the argument by analogy is.

-----I think it's clear that an analogy between books and a pile of feces doesn't pass the test based on the above factors.  

The above is paraphrased from Patrick Hurley, A Concise Introduction To Logic 

 

 

answered on Saturday, May 14, 2022 09:58:01 AM by Ed F

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TrappedPrior (RotE)
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Depending on what book X is it might be considered a weak analogy 

Person B needs to expand on what they mean, though. Why is book X bad, in their opinion?

answered on Saturday, May 14, 2022 04:04:22 AM by TrappedPrior (RotE)

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Ed F
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I don't think this is a fallacy, but rather false premises.

It's false that every book has gems of wisdom, and Hitler's book is proof of that.

answered on Friday, May 13, 2022 11:32:23 PM by Ed F

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Ed F writes:

Perhaps this is a fallacy, false analogy or --faulty comparison --perhaps the worse analogy I've ever seen.

posted on Saturday, May 14, 2022 01:23:25 AM
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VanDisease writes:
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Can you explain why it is a bad analogy?

[ login to reply ] posted on Saturday, May 14, 2022 02:38:06 AM