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Kostas Oikonomou

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What is it called when someone tries to manipulate someone into behaving a certain way by questioning core identity characteristics valued by the other person, if the other person doesn't behave as the manipulator wants.

It can come into two forms:
1)You are not a X if you don't do Y.
2)You don't deserve to be a X if you don't do Y.
when Y is not a prerequisite for X.

"You don't deserve to be called a man if you don't want to fight".
"If you want to be called a human, you should respect others" 
"You don't deserve to be a blonde if you don't perform great fellatio"

It reminds me a bit of stereotyping (the fallacy) but it doesn't cover all the cases where this tactic is used. For example it can be used even when the claim is not a somewhat accepted stereotype.

Then it reminds me of the  definist fallacy,  which doesn't cover though the "you don't deserve to be called" subtype which in turn is a bit similar to no true scotsman but not quite exactly.

Is there a more specific name for that kind of rhetoric?
asked on Monday, Feb 13, 2023 12:19:09 PM by Kostas Oikonomou

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Erkan writes:

Now that you ask, I want to know too 

posted on Monday, Feb 13, 2023 12:49:44 PM

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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I agree with all of your mentions of fallacies, especially no true scotsman . Who says one is not an X if they don't do Y?

Could also be a form of gaslighting... making people think that it is the case that you must do x to be y when it is not the case. Other than that, it just appears to fall under rhetoric and possibly manipulation.
answered on Monday, Feb 13, 2023 01:04:28 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

Yep, it's tribalism. Pressuring someone to do or believe something so they can prove they're a "true" member of the group.

posted on Monday, Feb 13, 2023 05:12:02 PM
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Mchasewalker
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Well, the main problem is that the argument is not against a claim as it is directed at the opponent's self-confidence.

"If you really believed what you were saying you'd think and act like this - but you don't!" 

So, yes, No True Scotsman is on the money, but I would suggest that argumentum ad fidentia is a close second. 

answered on Monday, Feb 13, 2023 01:38:07 PM by Mchasewalker

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Try the no true scotsman  fallacy.
answered on Monday, Feb 13, 2023 01:06:00 PM by Mchasewalker

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