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TrappedPrior (RotE)

Debate about cancel culture and metoo movement.

Callout culture allows marginalized people to seek accountability where the justice system fails.
The #metoo movement gave innumerable women (and some men) the ability to call out their countless abusers in a forum where the accusations might be heard and matter.

Olivia Goldhill, Quartz science reporter, explained, “Men have sexually assaulted and harassed women with impunity for millennia. Incredibly, ever since the allegations against Hollywood impresario Harvey Weinstein stopped being an ‘open secret,’ a few famous men have finally faced repercussions for their actions. Where inept courts and HR departments have failed, a new tactic has succeeded: Women talking publicly about harassment on social media, fueling the public condemnation that’s forced men from their jobs and destroyed their reputations.” [6]

Constance Grady, Staff Writer at Vox, stated, “Historically, we as a culture don’t do much to the rich and famous and powerful men of the world when women say that those men have hurt them. We give them Oscars and a seat on the Supreme Court and in the White House, and we call their accusers liars or hysterical or unreliable. We treat the men and their power as sacrosanct and the women and their pain as disposable.” [7]

By Oct. 2018, the end of the first year of #metoo, 429 people faced 1,700 allegations of sexual misconduct. That cohort included Harvey Weinstein, now convicted of third-degree rape and a first-degree criminal sexual act. [8] [9] [10] The allegations against Weinstein date to the late 1980s, and had long been an “open secret” in Hollywood. [11] Without callout culture, Weinstein may still be in a position of power.

Weinstein is the outlier in terms of criminal justice. Few powerful men are convicted of sexual misconduct. As of July 3, 2020, #metoo allegations have resulted in only 7 convictions and 5 other people charged with sexual misconduct. [10] However, 201 men in positions of power lost their jobs in the first year of #metoo due to sexual misconduct allegations that were posted on social media. [9]

As Jill Filipovic, JD, lawyer and writer, explained, “for the powerful, criminal convictions are rare, in part because these people have better tools to work the justice system and rarely fit the stereotype of a convict. So the court of public opinion ends up being where accusations–and just as often, accusers–are tried.” [12]

Beyond #metoo, other movements are able to demand justice. Black Lives Matter has repeatedly called out the killing of black men in particular by police officers. The result was perhaps the biggest global civil rights movement in history when 15 to 26 million people marched globally for black rights in June 2020. [13] [14]

asked on Thursday, Mar 17, 2022 02:18:06 PM by TrappedPrior (RotE)

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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

Out of curiosity, where do you think the fallacy lies?

posted on Thursday, Mar 17, 2022 03:07:17 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

I'm not sure if its a fallacy but I don't understand the logic of "we call people out therefore more people are going to jail for misconduct". We do A therefore B happens. And also the part about fame. Harvey Weinstein (who was famous) got in trouble therefore other sexual predators will. I said it on Twitter therefore my rapist will go right to jail? 

posted on Thursday, Mar 17, 2022 08:10:26 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:
[To Jakub M]

I think the logic is, "if more people share their experiences of sexual abuse openly, it will foster a culture where victims are able to come forward. This will also lead to structural changes that bring accountability to perpetrators."

As for the Weinstein case, I believe what #MeToo supporters are suggesting is that if powerful men, protected by wealth and fame, can be brought down by allegations, then the same can happen at lower levels of society too.

[ login to reply ] posted on Friday, Mar 18, 2022 05:39:35 AM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:

I'm not disagreeing with that. What I wrote wasn't my opinion but what I found could be logically flawed. I'm acting as a supreme court judge by asking the tough questions. lol. But in my opinion, the metoo movement is good as long as the law is followed. I do find it disrespectful though back in 2017 when they made the metoo women person of the year and put Taylor Swift up their in make up. I thought it was a way to make the picture more appealing and attractive when the subject isn't supposed to be. Most people disagreed with me but I stand by that statement.

posted on Friday, Mar 18, 2022 11:06:12 AM

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"The life of the law has not been logic; it has been experience... The law embodies the story of a nation's development through many centuries, and it cannot be dealt with as if it contained only the axioms and corollaries of a book of mathematics."

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answered on Saturday, Mar 19, 2022 01:21:47 PM by Mchasewalker

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skips777 writes:

"Don't be cruel...." Elvis Presley........lol

posted on Sunday, Mar 20, 2022 02:08:25 AM