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Jason Mathias

How to tell if a Non sequitur does or does not follow?

I have a question about the non sequitur fallacy.

How does one know or determine what does or does not follow? Is there a methodology or rule for determining this? It almost seems like an intuitive judgment call? After all, if someone made the argument then they most likely think their conclusion follows from their premise. So, how can one convince them that it does not follow if they belief it does follow?

asked on Saturday, Dec 25, 2021 10:10:57 PM by Jason Mathias

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Kaiden writes:

It almost seems like an intuitive judgment call? 

Intuiting the presence of a non sequitur is not always feasible. Consider the following arguments:


Argument A

1. The universe exists and the universe does not exist.
2. Therefore, Jesus Christ exists (to keep with the theme)

 

Argument B

1. Jesus Christ exists 
2. Therefore, if both the universe exists and bunnies are lovely, then the universe exists. 

 

Both arguments have conclusions that follow in that they are valid arguments. These arguments do not commit the fallacy of non sequitur. But is that fact intuitive to you? It may not be!

posted on Monday, Dec 27, 2021 02:47:11 PM

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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In argumentation, something is said to "follow" if a) it is the inevitable conclusion of a deductive argument, b) it is causally linked or if the evidence warrants the conclusion. The first option requires common sense. The second requires a good understanding of causality or a good understanding of how evidence works . Consider

If pigs fly, then they must have wings.
Pigs fly.
Therefore, pigs have wings.

Common sense is required here since this is a deductive argument with a necessary conclusion. The non-sequitur would be any other conclusion.

I drank 6 cups of coffee at midnight.
I couldn't get to bed until 4 am.
The coffee kept me up.

Here we need to use reason to conclude that the coffee (or something in it) was responsible (causally linked) to insomnia. If we concluded that coffee was made in China, there is no causal link to establish this given the argument. The question, "How does the fact that you drank 6 cups of coffee and you couldn't go to sleep lead you to the conclusion that the coffee was made in China??" They have the burden of proof to establish this link.

answered on Sunday, Dec 26, 2021 07:35:11 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Mchasewalker
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No, it’s a process of informed ratiocination. Sadly there are many who cannot fulfill that simple task but that is more of a failure of cognition and disability than fallacy.

answered on Saturday, Dec 25, 2021 11:20:51 PM by Mchasewalker

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Arlo
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By adhering to simple if-->then logic, it's easy to avoid an invalid conclusion, or non sequitur. Often a bias attributable a religious belief can can be responsible for the non-sequitur.

Example of an argument which is at best dubious, but the conclusion is still valid  : 

[eg if you have "Conspiracy Theory Syndrome"]

P1: the COVID vaccine is actually a plot to control your brain.
P2: I do not want anyone to control my brain.
C : therefore, I should avoid the COVID vaccine.

Another example of an argument which is at best dubious, and the conclusion is a non-sequitur  : 

P1: I exist
P2: The universe exists
P3: bunnies are lovely
C: therefore, Jesus Christ

answered on Sunday, Dec 26, 2021 07:00:02 AM by Arlo

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Jason Mathias writes:

But what if the person making that argument believes that Jesus Christ created existence, created you and the universe and also created bunnies being lovely? To them, would it not seem to follow due to their religious beliefs? 

posted on Sunday, Dec 26, 2021 08:28:30 AM
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Arlo writes:
[To Jason Mathias ]

Getting back to your original question about how to identify non sequitur, we need to look at whether one step (the initial assumption or the premises) necessarily leads to the next step.  In Jim's second example, the first two premises seem linked (I exist and the universe exists – If the universe exists and if I'm part of the universe, then I must exist.  It sounds pretty logical, to me).  The third premise states that bunnies are lovely – the link between being created, and by whom, doesn't seem to have anything to do with being lovely.

So, at this point from the 3 premises we have the universe (presumably including all things ... you, me, lovely bunnies) existing.  To get to a logical conclusion that Jesus exists, you'd need something to link the existence of you, me, and bunnies to Jesus – either an assumption or another premise such as perhaps that "Jesus created (everything)".  That statement would need to appear in the argument in some form – either as an assumption or as another premise, and writing out arguments will all of their components often makes it easier to identify flaws in the logic, including non-sequiturs:

A1: Jesus created existence

P1: I exist 
P2: The universe exists 
P3: bunnies are lovely

C: Jesus exists

As presented, it seems to involve somewhat circular reasoning  – assuming that Jesus created existence and from that, concluding that Jesus must exist.

If we were to modify the above argument slightly, we might get something like:

A1: Jesus created existence

P1: I exist 
P2: The universe exists 
C: Jesus created me and the universe.

This argument would NOT be a non sequitur because there's a direct link among the assumption (who created everything) and the facts that certain things exist (me and the universe) ... it follow that the one who created everything must have created every (individual) thing.  That's a sequitur – the notions actually follow in sequence without any breaks.  [To make it really solid, you might add another assumption that "there is no creator other than Jesus" to avoid the possibility that Blanche was the one to create those lovely bunnies!]

If we were to change the above argument slightly and replace the conclusion with "Bunnies are lovely.", we'd have a non sequitur because while there's a direct link from the creator to what was created (we know that bunnies exist) but there is no link to whether bunnies are or aren't lovely – one might reasonably ask "Where did the bunnies come from (in the argument 😉) and why must they be lovely?".  

Could we provide a link between Jesus creating things and bunnies being lovely?  Certainly!  We'd just need the argument to contain another premise or assumption to link them ... perhaps something like "Jesus creates only lovely things".

One test I use when looking for non-sequiturs is to ask, "Is there a premise missing somewhere?"  Often, there is (like the link to lovely bunnies, above) ... and often the missing link is used by devious arguers to come up with less-than-logically-valid conclusions and often conclusions that are less than correct..

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Hi, Jason!

         I will approach your question with deductive arguments in mind. A conclusion that “follows” is just a conclusion of a valid argument. Accordingly, to know that a conclusion “follows” is to know that the argument in which it figures is valid. This implies the answer to your question about methodology: methods for determining that a conclusion “follows” are really methods for determining that the argument for it is valid. 

How can one convince them that it does not follow if they belief it does follow? 

         An argument is valid just in case it is impossible for all the premises to be true and the conclusion false. Some arguments are valid because of their form , while some arguments are valid but not in virtue of their form. 

         Symbolic logic provides powerful tools for discovering whether an argument is invalid in virtue of its form . Symbolic logic involves symbolizing the argument into a formal language and using certain procedures to test whether that argument-form is invalid. For instance, a truth-table can be used to evaluate arguments that are symbolized into the formal language of truth-functional logic. Also, instead of using truth-tables you can can use a tableau test. A tableau test is like a vertical flow chart version of a truth-table. In other formal languages, such as predicate logic, it works to instead construct an interpretation of the argument-form in which the premises come out true and the conclusion false. 

         Outside of using formal languages, an argument valid or invalid in virtue of its form can still be evaluated. You may describe a detailed logically possible story in which the premises of the argument are true but the conclusion false, in order to show that the argument is invalid. This is called giving a counterexample. Not all arguments are valid in virtue of their form, anyways. So, learning to construct counterexamples, rather than purely formal methods, is important in general.

         Let me leave you with some introductory resources to help. In my undergrad, I learned symbolic logic first from “Brain Power” written by Leah Savion (she was my professor, too), which may be for sale on Amazon. Also, “For All x: Calgary Remix: An Introduction to Formal Logic” by Magnus and Button is more advanced, comprehensive and in-depth.

 

Thank you, Jason. 

From, Kaiden

answered on Monday, Dec 27, 2021 12:04:39 PM by Kaiden

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