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Bo Bennett, PhD

Burden of proof

Are false dichotomies, trichotomies .etc shifting the burden of proof?

asked on Monday, May 25, 2020 11:12:49 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:

Hi George, can you provide an example with context where you think this might be the case?

posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 11:41:20 AM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
[To Bo Bennett, PhD]

Ok Lets say a person claims a financial crisis in a hypothetical country is a result of peoples actions.In his defence he proposes that along with the possibility that politicians are responsible for it.If there was another possible explanation that the proponent completely exluded ,lets say a devastating war that happened in the region, wouldn't that be an attempt to shift the burden of proof by making the questioner argue for a proposition that the proponent was supposed to include in his possibilities and rule out?

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 12:01:53 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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By definition, Shifting of the Burden of Proof is "Making a claim that needs justification, then demanding that the opponent justifies the opposite of the claim." The problem here is the the claim is essentially that only X number of options exist and the other person is claiming that X+Y options exist. It is perfectly reasonable for the person who made the initial claim to ask what Y is. What is NOT reasonable, is for that person to conclude that only X exists because the other person cannot name Y (Argument from Ignorance) I don't see any clear shifting of the burden of proof here, however. It is better explained by the other fallacies mentioned.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 12:17:56 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:

[To Bo Bennett, PhD]

Ok,i think that still is a false dichotomy.If i'm correct who has the burden of proof.The questioner who proposed a new possibility,or the proponent who didn't include it in the first place?

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 12:37:42 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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It depends on the claim.

"I see two options..." != "There are only two options." The first is a statement of fact (that person only sees two options) that requires no proof where the second is a universal claim that does. It also depends on the universality of the claim (i.e., how accepted it is). For example, it was long understood that there were only two genders*, so the burden of proof was on those claiming there were more. The prevailing wisdom was that there we 9 planets (including Pluto), so those who claimed there were only 8 had the burden of proof to demonstrate one option (Pluto) was not a valid option.

* aside from intersex individuals.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 01:01:00 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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So its on the one proposing a new option if i got it correct.Thanks for replying.

[ login to reply ] posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 01:35:51 PM

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Bryan
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I would assume that the person thought those were the only options when committing the fallacy, so they thought they were making a reasonable point. You have no more burden than you already had. 

answered on Monday, May 25, 2020 11:31:03 AM by Bryan

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TrappedPrior (RotE)
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Shifting the burden of proof involves the proponent asking the skeptic to disprove the claim that they make, rather than the other way round. Example:

Ted:  I believe in spirits, good and evil, that dictate our the fate of our children.

Sandy:  Prove it.

Ted:  You prove it false!

 

answered on Monday, May 25, 2020 02:51:12 PM by TrappedPrior (RotE)

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Jason Mathias writes:

That would be an Argument From Ignorance Fallacy.

posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 03:02:27 PM
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TrappedPrior (RotE) writes:
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Argument from Ignorance if it is concluded that X is true because it cannot be proven false.

[ login to reply ] posted on Tuesday, May 26, 2020 05:54:29 PM