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Jack

Equivocation Fallacy?

 

I'm pretty sure the following is an Equivocation Fallacy:

 

Moral evil is like "cold" or "shadow", it doesn't exist, it is a term used to describe the absence of something that does exist.

"Cold" is the absence of heat. Only heat exists. Cold doesn't.
"Shadow" is the absence of light. Only light exists. Shadows don't.

Evil is just the absence of good. Only good exists. Evil doesn't. 

 

your thoughts?Equivocation 

 

asked on Friday, May 29, 2020 12:36:05 PM by Jack

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Bo Bennett, PhD
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Expanding on what Rationalissimo wrote, yes, this is Equivocation . The reason is that light "existing" is very different from good existing. The former refers to a physical existence (photons) and the latter refers to a conceptual existence. Futher, it is an assertion, nothing more. We can no more demonstrate that good is the absence of evil than we can evil is the absence of good.

answered on Friday, May 29, 2020 01:19:33 PM by Bo Bennett, PhD

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Jack writes:

Can it not be both Equivocation and reification. I've just gone through these fallacies again and their descriptions are somewhat similar? Or maybe I'm just equivocating reification with equivocation lol.

posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 01:33:02 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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Reification as well.

[ login to reply ] posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 01:35:12 PM
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Bryan writes:

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Are my replies falling through the cracks of web logic again? I tried two slightly different replies to RATIONALISSIMO, the second as I noticed the first didn't show and wrote it slightly differently.

[ login to reply ] posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 02:36:13 PM
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Bo Bennett, PhD writes:
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I noticed that.... I forgot what it was last time, but I will look into it.

[ login to reply ] posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 02:38:20 PM
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Jason Mathias
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Along with all the other fallacies suggested here, I would also add the Faulty Comparison Fallacy as it is falsely comparing qualia with quanta. 


I would say this is more poetry than logic. 

answered on Friday, May 29, 2020 02:53:53 PM by Jason Mathias

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Bryan
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I started off writing this:

I don't think it is, it seems to be fairly reasonable at a cursory glance. However we need to delve deeper to see if there's any substance to the argument.

First we need to examine whether good is a thing which can be present. In most contexts good is an evaluation of something. If the claim is that good is a force of some kind, then I'd have to see some sort of evidence to substantiate such a claim.

Second we need to look at whether evil is simply the absence of good.

However it was at this point that I noticed that the quote starts off with "moral evil"* and then switches to "evil". Furthermore it states that "good exists" which clearly refers to a force rather than an evaluation, so absolutely, this is an example of equivocation.

I would say that it may also an example of begging the question as the argument assumes the premise that good exists rather than demonstrate it. 

And of course I'd say that it's a weak analogy as it's being compared to things which can be detected and measured rather than just asserted. 

 

* A quick search returns:

Moral evil is any morally negative event caused by the intentional action or inaction of an agent, such as a person. An example of a moral evil might be murder, or any other evil event for which someone can be held responsible or culpable.

This clearly isn't the same as a force or entity of good.

 

Also to add in my original reply I was going to touch on a lack of good not being the same as evil, as you can lack any good behaviour without causing harm to others. In that sense the description of evil which we use to describe actions or a person is not the same as a lack of good at all.

answered on Friday, May 29, 2020 02:24:38 PM by Bryan

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TrappedPrior (RotE)
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This is Reification 

Cold and Darkness don't exist as quanta (like heat and light do), but they are certainly qualia. Qualia are sensations, felt by living things, and can be ascribed names. Thus, they exist. 

answered on Friday, May 29, 2020 12:49:13 PM by TrappedPrior (RotE)

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Jack writes:

Sorry, I meant to vote your post up. Not down but I can't correct it. Anyway, since looking at the reification fallacy I think that you are correct about this.

posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 01:07:38 PM
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Bryan writes:

I agree, however many people assert that there is a physical thing called good, and ironically many of those also asset that evil is a physical thing. 

For example there are those who claim that Satan is real and the embodiment of evil. Is Satan just the lack of "god"? 

By that standard wouldn't everything else be "evil"? Is a teacup evil because it isn't a force of good or lacks some sort of goodness?

posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 02:28:53 PM
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Colin P
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It's not a fallacy, it's an assertion with an illustration for an analogy.

answered on Friday, May 29, 2020 10:58:46 PM by Colin P

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DrBill
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I don't see equivocation, but rather an argument from analogy.Weak Analogy 

answered on Sunday, May 31, 2020 09:41:28 AM by DrBill

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