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Game: Police brutality, find the fallacies.(This was in response to George Floyds/ Derek Chauvin verdict.) P 1: Shares a Fox News meme that says police killed a total of 52 black persons, 3 unarmed, and 109 white persons, 5 unarmed so far in 2021. P 2: So Fox News made a cherry piking fallacy of a cherry piked tiny sample size of only 3 months and they also did a statical fallacy by not doing per capita. P 3: So, if a 110lb 5’2” female police office is attacked by a 300lb 6’4” male you do not think she should have the right to use all force necessary to protect herself and life? |
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I'd like to submit an answer to the "spot the fallacy" game to which you are alluding: oversimplified cause fallacy. P1. X can contribute to a Black civilian being shot and killed by police. This fallacy and its cousin, causal reductionism, are typical of the arguments we are hearing these days. For the Left, X is "systemic racism." Solving for it involves anti-racism training at least and defunding/dismantling the police at most. For the Right, X is "fatherlessness." That is, the high rate of single-mother households in Black communities. Solving for it involves Black leaders somehow persuading members of Black communities to get married before having children. The point is that everyone tries to reduce the problem to a single, simple cause. But like all issues, this one is quite complex. Even in your writeup, there are multiple issues to think about:
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answered on Friday, Apr 23, 2021 11:40:10 AM by Jordan Pine | |||||||||||||||||
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These aren't premises, so we can't treat this like an argument. However, each "premise" can be an argument in itself. I will address them individually.
There is not enough data here to determine that this isn't about race, if that was Fox's goal. It is not about raw numbers; but percentage/per capita. But there is more to this. I won't rehash this as I have written about it extensively in my book Uncomfortable Ideas (touched on below). Bottom line, most conclusions drawn from this would be a non sequitur .
I wouldn't call cherry picking on this. The data is actually pretty representative. It is just "lying with statistics" or using actual data to spin a misleading narrative.
One can argue this is still cherry picked, if we argue the other data was cherry picked. To avoid accusations of cherry picking, all data should be presented, or at least a summary of it.
But discrepancies doesn't uncover the problem. It is not just the racial makeup of the whole population, but the population that is likely to interact with the police. But it gets more complicated than that—do the police interact with some races more than others just because of their race, or do some races break the law more warranting more interaction with the police, or a combination?
This is an ideological position that hasn't been supported.
I think this is a legitimate question to follow up the ideological position stated.
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answered on Friday, Apr 23, 2021 07:43:13 AM by Bo Bennett, PhD | |
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They are working on the audience not knowing that black people do not make up 33% of the US population, which it would need to be for the same to not be biased. There may be two white people killed by the police for every black person, but white people here are the overwhelming majority of the population. argument by fast talking also seems to apply, the arguer is relying upon the people not having done the research to refute their implied claim. |
answered on Friday, Apr 23, 2021 07:37:49 AM by GoblinCookie | |
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